Easy, they were lying! They think he did it, but as far as real, good, hard evidence that will stand up in court, theres not a lot there. There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. Allen has been booked into jail, but no details of any charges made against him have been shared. As youve pointed out Mr. X did this before the search party had even assembled, right at the EXACT parcel of land that the girls bodies would be found the next day. He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone. There are cases like this all over the country. The warrant indicated that an FBI agent said Logans voice is not inconsistent with that of the person in the video.. Isnt that logical. It says at one point apparently Machine Operator as a title, but then the vid definitely makes it a point to focus on Christian Teen Club. Not sure what the implication is there, but one can certainly imagine. Items known to be carried or worn by BG at the time of crime: Loaded handgun in right jacket pocket, type unknown, possibly a rare .40mm collectors item. Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. Because no debt or grudge or anything can ever justify 2 little girls being murdered. He is said to haveadmitted talking to Libby German using a fake Instagram profile called Anthony_shots. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. DELPHI, Ind. Correct. But who was his roomate in evansdale in the hotel they stayed in? At least two prior marriages. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. Too fucking bad. Otherwise why do we have religions? The exact content of the messages can be viewed in the video below. We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. This makes absolutely no sense at all. Must be a lot of people with that name. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. Ive used that a thousand times, especially when there are two or more suspects in adjacent interrogation rooms. The date of the crime and the time of the abduction are both 2-13. Hmm . They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, its awfully thin. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! Im sure there are instances where its been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes. Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. Libby and Abby went missing on 13 February 2017 after they set off on a hike along the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. They even try to cure effeminate gay men and let them back in the churches as long as they say theyre cured of homosexuality. So, the girls were found on RLs property. He also noted that it appeared to him as if Libby German may have been personally attacked based on the extent of her injuries. 'I kill 8-year-old April Marie Tinsley. We dont know why he asked permission to search Ron Logans land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team. Theres no woman among them. I estimate that 85% of what we said here in past years has been shown to be false over time. He has connections with current LE officers. You might consider joining us in our private group. An updated sketch for the suspect was released in April of 2019, and no further information about his appearance has been publicly shared. Could it that the killers were middle aged men, DP and not sure yet, maybe FSG but both dressed exact same so people would be confused? How bout taking it to heed, everyone? Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. He passed away in 2020. Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. I am sure the person you and Mr. Lindsay are speculating who BG is, is spot on. We dont just look at the Delphi case here. There are many people who confuse him with PB in comments and videos. If u could see one, u could see the other. Fact that the FBI was instantly involved would be because they have the expertise to "read" such a crime scene. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. Thank you! Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. And although hes no no saint, I dont think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. Indiana State Police and the. Investigators also cite a witness who saw Allen walking with "clothes that were muddy and bloody," according to the probable cause affidavit. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. The only thing I can think of is it was too gruesome, in their mind, to release," Garrett said. BG is a 50 year old man. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? In addition, we may have more documents. The category below Proven is ally called Unverified with Different Qualifications. Not sure of the significance here. Some claims are listed as unverified. The killer contacted Libby on social media using the "catfish" of a young man aged 19. The few times Ive brought him up myself (this is really on Reddit) I have been ripped apart for my apparent stupidity. Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek. In fact just based on what I have going on, researching this case is the absolute last thing I should be doing, but its drawing me in, and I cant help it. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! Libby also shared a snap of herself walking along the same railroad tracks on the day of her murder, with the Snapchat updates causing a sensation that made the case one of the United States' most notorious unsolved murders. There is no proof that the bodies are posed but the speculation of what it could mean if they were posed is worth discussion. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. Actually, Jack, the families do not know at all. There was posing. Police still have not released their causes of death. That can only mean one thing. Good ones and bad ones, perhaps, but theres no such thing as legitimate versus illegitimate. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? I have not been able to determine that from all of these postings. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. Pay minimum of $20 for lifetime membership to our group. Good job though, because you confirm much of what Ive seen. Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Brad Holder: Brads son, Jason, was Abbys boyfriend. We are very worried that the police may be trying to pin this crime on Kegan and Tony Kline and we know neither one is involved. As you can see, the numbers are the same. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. Logan identifying him also speaks volumes considering how close they were all Kirts life, But Ed Bounds makes a really terrific point about why Logan was allowed to get out of jail & do his time at homeBasically saying thats incredibly rare but for the reason even more rare (horses need a better attendee? Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. I tend to agree. The theory is that he was in on these murders for mercenary reasons, such as a malign desire to purchase Ron Logans land. Also stated that Abby survived the initial attack and she crawled towards Libby. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage.
Delphi murders update: Arrest made in 2017 murder of Libby German, Abby The suspected pedophile - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. KAK and his Dad. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. I also believe 1) that all of the dolls found there were not put there after the crime but that this was an area that the perpetrator visited often to perform some kind of sadistic acts using the dolls, 2) that he was at that site when he perhaps saw and/or used binoculars to spot the girls on the bridge, 3)went to the bridge and then took the girls to his sadistic-acts place to perform those acts on live persons. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. Wouldnt 13-14 year old girls be past dolls and stuffed animals? If anyone else is involved they know who it is. He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. Also its very hot here and all I feel like doing is sleeping all the time. Top 3 Legends of All Time in Soccer America, Top 3 legends of All Time in Hollywood in America, Top 4 Major Cities in America of All Time. They hiked on to the the abandoned and somewhat dangerous Monon High rail Bridge, over Deer Creek. By
He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. It was my understanding that a local news channel had posted 1 crime scene photo to their Facebook page, and that it was of clothing in the creek. His home was searched and he was arrested shortly after the killings, but he was released and never charged. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. it would have been nice to track the boot prints around the cemetery to the crime scene to the river but I would assume all that evidence is gone. We believe Mr. X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it. Thank you so much for this excellent comment, Jennifer! We would say it is low. Horrible. Thank you so much! 2-13 again. For more than five years, the families of the two girls have been searching for answers as to what happened and who was responsible for their murders. Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. I want you to know that your comment is no longer there. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. A probable cause.
Delphi Murders Update March 26, 2021 - Beyond Highbrow Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. Great to see you back on the case! Isnt that REALLY FUCKING STUPID? I tend to think its a doll. Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. We park right at the front door. Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. The girls bodies were found near a hiking trail on February 14, 2017 a day after they went missing while on a walk during a day off from school. The stories vary from one of the girls still alive crying for help while the other lays dead next to her, the killer moving the bodies into disturbing poses or the killer violating one of the girls who was still alive and the body of the first girl that was killed. 4) He was married many years prior. This implies that the girls were returned to the scene later. We also dont know the name of the hotel or motel that they stayed in. He died in 2020 and the case remains unsolved to this day. BTW whats up with all the psychic stuff? As CrimeOnline previously reported, 13-year-old Abby and 14-year-old Libby were murdered in 2017, but the killer remains elusive. The family knew something was wrong. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Libby's father, Derrick, makes them pancakes for breakfast. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? Thats very embarrassing. Mike Patty: Just stop, ok? Hence, formally, everything Leaker said has gone into unconfirmed rumors other than the things we were able to confirm from other probative sources. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Police found the girls' lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. On Feb. 13, 2017, 13-year-old Abigail "Abby" Williams and 14-year-old Liberty "Libby" German went to the Monon High Bridge in their home town of Delphi, Ind., while off from school for an unused snow day. These idiot cops. A .40-caliber unspent round was found less than 2 feet away from one of the girls' bodies, and that unspent round went through a gun that Allen owns, according to the probable cause affidavit. This what first aroused LE suspicions of Mr. X. .
2 people did the actual murders and a woman behind the initial plan. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. You mentioned that the police are allowed to lie to the public. I hav followed both cases very closely. He could have gone home, but for some reason he stayed with his truck. We can look into any case we want! There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged. In other words, they were faked. I dont know if its in a garage, or the shed, perhaps? Thats probably your answer. Well, the police have told us that they have a main suspect in this case, so at least I am just going to go with the cops on this one. Instant person of interest. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. One thing I always have to remind myself of is that LE is allowed to lie to the public.
Eerie photos capture teens' death march 'Down the hill' - news Some new info here. Thats good enough for us to be probative. Id prefer stuff thats in the papers. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. Also, you develop better sources. Paul, I know exactly what videos you are talking about on YouTube. I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. I hope he doesnt read here but I knew a Facebook group mod who was in contact with him and she felt he was either gay, an effeminate man, or a Beta, as she put it. Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. DELPHI - The year 2021 should be filled with cap & gowns, graduation parties, and college choices for Libby German and Abby Williams. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing, the agent wrote.
Delphi Murders Timeline: Disappearance, Years-Long Manhunt and the Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com, $49m to live four blocks from THAT drug market? Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. Libby was apparently enthralled by this profile, Cain said. I find it ironic that he lived close to the Flora fires, and it wouldnt surprise me if he was linked to Evansdale as well. I realize unsolved would be a magnet for that but wow. Ronald Logan was never named a suspect, despite the warrant. But its definitely him! We regard Leaker as credible, but we now demand sources beyond his level to be considered probative. But ive also read (this is a rumorif not OK i will delete) that they girls were found apart. BG is a 50 year old man and the three other men are younger, age 17-26. Not so much for 15 year old girls. We now have a better time frame for Mr. Xs truck being parked at the cemetery. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. It was dark. They are looking for exactly 43 seconds of audio that BG recorded.
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Drunkard perhaps. We believe she never showed up, he never called the wife, he never lost his keys in the first place, and there was no spare set. I dont know if they were part of the search parties. Theyre Delphi related videos comparing his appearance to BG. Whatever it was that caused her to react in such a way, I just hope she shared with law enforcement. 8 Weirdly Specific True Crime Shows That Actually Exist, Chris Watts Bombed His Polygraph Test, and It Led to His Confession, Where Is Convicted Murderer Jeffrey MacDonald Now? Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. Q&A with Tara and Becky. Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. 12) Buried clothing of his stained with the girls blood on his property! Kelsi has been cleared. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. Forgive me if Ive missed this, but whats keeping police from arresting this guy? Its more secure. You said in your blog that Mr. X was friends with Ron Logan. These are mostly hate sites. Im a real nice guy, I treat my commenters well, and Im basically this mild-mannered, unassuming, intellectual, professor type. Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. My ideas, of course, are just speculative like those put forth by others. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. Apparently. Kegan Kline, 27, of Peru, Indiana, was also named as a suspect in the murders. The release of the search warrant comes several months after Indiana State Police announced that they were investigating a fake online profile called anthony_shots in connection to the case. The man has never been identified. They had no history of behavior indicative of disregarding or disrespecting their parents/guardians by running off to a friends house just to show up later. I cannot remember which girl had taken the photo of the man on the bridge with her cell phone, but I had read somewhere that on that cell phone there was audio of her saying something about a weird man approaching them and that is why she took the photo. I dont know what these names mean. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. Instead of bashing us, why dont you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? There are signatures on the document. A press conference is expected Monday morning. So if he wore Packers boots to do his crime, he would have been able to cross that cold stream where the water is knee-deep. You do a great job! "It seems like there is something more to it than just a gun.". I find it interesting that you stated he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman so that audio must have been on one of the girls cell phones? They all go off and do their own work. Text messages have been circulating online regarding the case, as has speculation about some of the evidence that is being kept under wraps. Last, I want to bring up RL and the dirty hand LE dealt him throughout all of this. It is currently unclear what the. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. Good advice. Article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. We dont know who his roommate was in Delphi and then again in Evansdale, and we also dont know what sort of work they had both been moved over there for. Investigators seized several devices, but Kline contacted them a few days later about a device they hadnt seized. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. Summer months. Its not free though. Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. They showed the boots in an evidence bag to the media later on that night, and they said, Oh, this is nothing. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK The gun jammed, which Garrett said is common. I appreciate your style about not being afraid to put out things others wouldnt dare & or might even get accosted over doing soThose idiots are WEAK& most of them are hypocritesSome of the new YouTubers even, they first bitch about the same thing, then they start a channel, and the next thing you know, their moderators are hacking/choking& putting that ass in the corner for hours before allowing u to crawl back in, all bruised, & compliantNot for me. Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. Dads not talking. Here's the Update in His Case. The sigs are from the FBI and a court official. Press J to jump to the feed. He had been there that morning too. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. Yes, I know. In the case of the search of the Maxwell home, a gun was taken from the home in order to do ballistics tests on it. Most of Leigh Kerrs and the search party members testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative. I get it. There may never be an arrest in this case.